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Poster: gmarks Date: Aug 12, 2009 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: does Bobby get enough love?

Hey people, i've been sitting on the sidelines enjoying every post from you fine people. At 46 yo i've just only recently gotten a computer w/ access to this site and it's greatly improved my life...that said one thing that i've been thinking about is how Bob Weir, though obviously not the virtuoso, has been a model of consistency in his life and that's something i appreciate more and more. Discovering these soundboards has allowed me to more further appreciate his guitar, vocals and songwriting work. And i always see reviews dissing him for missing some lines! Any thoughts are appreciated and also tell me how to change my handle to something cool!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 13, 2009 12:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

I always loved the voice of Bobby Weir.The only thing that kept us aa a distance were all these girls he liked close by . Was a fan but not a groupy

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

First off welcome gmarks. You wouldn't happen to live in miami would you? I have a friend down there around your age and with the same name. Regardless, there was a recent compilation of Bob tunes seeding at lossless legs and the person who put it together made the comment that it was harder than doing a Jerry one because Bob was much more consistent where Jerry had good nights and bad nights, so you are not alone in your thinking. I do think he played a little too high on the neck after the break and it did effect Keith's playing. Listen, or try to find Keith in '78. He didn't have a lot of space to move around. I also can't say that I loved his slide playing either. However I do really like his contributions to China>Rider and i suspect playing rhythm with Jerry was a bit of a challenge and not one that others would have accepted. Bob's okay with me. I am sure he is thrilled to know this too.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

Weir's amazing sense of the moment led to stunning choice like transitions to the essential Me & My Uncle in a Dark Star and to unusual choices like Another Saturday Night late in the 2nd set.

Some may remember Bobby for the short-shorts, Madonna shirts, head snaps, bended on one knee serenades, or faux climbing of scaffolding, but I'll remember his selfless contributions to the group mind. What a wonderful mirror of me-n!

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Poster: gmarks Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

nope, up in Madison, Wisconsin. Saw numerous years at Alpine Valley and then also foray into California where the Greek Theatre stood out. But i digress i agree that playing w/ Jer would've been the ultimate challenge. But i think he always recognized his contribution would be considered secondary and thus the color, the off-beats, the distortion , were all perfect accompaniments to the main course. Witness the fantastic work of the JGB sans Bob and i think the answer lies therein. But that doesn't account for Black Throated Wind, does it?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

when listening very closely, singling out bob's guitar within my ears, i oftentimes find him the most fascinating musician in the whole group - certainly not saying he is the best, but very very fascinating. like spiral commented - quite a unique rhythm accompaniment in many tunes and jams

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 12, 2009 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

Especially his work on T-Jed


;-)

heheheheheheh

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 7:36pm
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(sigh)

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

I was just listening to Bobby's guitar playing from 9-28-72. Check out He's Gone for a great example of what Bobby could do. He really had his own unique style which I'll take over the many copy cat guitarists out there. As far as Keith is concerned, I'm not so sure his decline was due to Bobby as opposed to his increased drug use at the time. But I really prefer Bobby's playing from 71-74 over the 80's where Brent was much more featured in the mix, however he was probably a better singer with more songs which helped pick up for Jerry whose voice was often shot after 82.

Welcome to the forum gmarks

This post was modified by billydlions on 2009-08-12 21:50:43

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

you certainly have a point about Brent "competing" in the mix (though I certainly love Brent's contributions to the sound). but yeah, Bobby is easier to seperate pre-Brent - been listening to some '76 the last few days where, i am sure due to the "sound" they were aiming at, bobby was quite easy to focus upon almost to the exclusion of everything else (which unfortunately almost made me sideswipe a tollbooth since i got a bit "lost in the mix", so to say)

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Poster: cush212 Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

What have we here??? A kinder, gentler long lost younger twin brother??????

On thread, Bobby is a very unique rhythm player.

Kiddy time coming up here soon, will be back in an hour or two...

This post was modified by cush212 on 2009-08-12 21:56:28

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

"What have we here??? A kinder, gentler long lost younger twin brother??????"


(un)fortunately, yes ;)

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Poster: cush212 Date: Aug 12, 2009 4:39pm
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Dammit man, Is nothing sacred? Though I do recall seeing a glimpse of our "Dear Old Wolfie" when I had a moment to lurk the other day. Hope all is well...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

all is great my twin brother!! hope things are going great for you as well :)

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Aug 13, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

My introduction to this love/hate relationship with Bob Wier goes like this.
Im driving down to a show and pick up this hitchhiker who needs a ride to the show. Nice guy, knew alot about the band, had a southern charm to him.
So were in the show and he says "lets go down to the floor and make our way up front of the stage". Ok, sounds fun. We get right up front and dude starts SPITTING at Bob. I say" WTF dude?". "Bob Wier is a fag, he sucks" dude says to me. Now granted, the short shorts and pink Izod with berkinstocks is a bit poncy, but hey, what do I care. Dude could play his guit in nothin but a pink tutu, what do I care, Im here to see the music and hear the colors. I bailed on him REAL quick.
After the show, dude meets me at my car and wants a ride back up to Humboldt Co., for obvious reasons. Needless to say, I left his deadhead ass there by the side of the road.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

Bravo!!!This reminded me of the worse basterd I ever got tup put up with at a show:this hypocrit had a fancy bus,invited me to step in to see a nice crystal collection displayed therein,smiles to offert tea,I sat a moment and he spewed uot in hatred of th Grateful Dead,couldn't put up with this garbage mouth and for once,I understood english super fast .walked of bus all upset had forgotten my purse in there because he had alredy ripped it off while I looked at the bait,the crystals Professional thief,sharking the shows's parking lots .My purse had 3 days of tickets,ripped-off,my passeport,money,smokes,keys,allgone .the bastard had locked his bus and vanished through a hidden door ;I called on deadheads to intervened,thousands of them near by and not one of them even cared what was being done to us all with this creepo too busy to get own personal fun .But let's be real clear:that was the worse that ever happende to me among deadheads !! Went to over 160 shows,cared about,welcomed,greeted,and I have a million thanks, espacially the men mostly all decent towards me and that's why I could hang out with them aroud in the first place Needless to say that without their good vibes most girls wouldn't bother seeing them ,not even for a GD concert!!!

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

A friend once told me that he thought "Bob is the broom of the Grateful Dead, sweeping up behind the rest of the band". Sounds somewhat derogatory but that was not his intent (certainly a funny comment regardless). I think it was his was of observing that Bob plays off of the things/sounds happening around him. He can get up front but often he was filling in the nooks and crannies. e

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

Check out his chord changes during the Hard to Handle jam on Bear's Choice. Just brilliant!

That said they should have retired MAMU after '73.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 12, 2009 11:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

There have been a couple Bob threads here lately - this is a long in-depth one, actually one of the finer moments of this Forum, showing love & hate in their ceaseless struggle:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=234619

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 13, 2009 5:26am
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OMG--that was a great one...I cannot believe the stuff that has been written here...this is becoming...becoming...well, I am not sure, but the Forum really is quite the place in between bizarre posting antics of gawd knows who.

So, I clearly didn't get an answer to my query about Operator in that thread!

But I did find this gem:

"highly scientific and clearly compelling analyses once again prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that though markets may rise and fall, and bail outs may fail and succeed, there is one absolute constant: my ongoing efforts to funnel all manner of assessment thru the prism of 1968. Works for me..."

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 12, 2009 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

I bet in their heydey Bob got more love than any of them, oh wait you're not talking groupies : )

Hell no! He get undeservedely shit on by fans and fans that are amateur guitarists that somehow think they could do better. Jerry could have NEVER been able to do what he did in the band without Bob. Who else was holding things together? The other lead guitar Phil? Without Bob weaving in and out fleshing it out it wouldn't have worked imo

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Poster: BVD Date: Aug 12, 2009 5:56pm
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Could be one of the most underrated guitarists out there . Love his style.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

Does anyone ever get enough love?

"And, in the end, the love you take
Is equal to the love you make."-McCartney(credited to Lennon/McCartney)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: does Bobby get enough love?

No.

And that always makes me think of this (classic):

http://www.myvideo.de/watch/3412362/Chris_Farley_Interview_Paul_Mc_Cartney_SNL

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Poster: Jim F Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:14pm
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I'm in agreement that Weir was a fantastically unique and wonderful guitar player, who does get a lot of undeserved harsh criticism, but that his style in terms of guitar and vocals got annoying in the 80's. When you really listen to Bobby in the 68-74 (or even 76) range, he is doing really really fantastic stuff in there. In the 80's he got too "angular" (overused cliche Weir term, but I've always found it fitting), and I got tired of hearing him say "ya'll" in The Other One. Otherwise, nothing but thumbs up for Bobby from this Deadhead.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:22pm
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I agree about the "y'all's"... that always bugged me.

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Poster: Spiral517 Date: Aug 12, 2009 1:46pm
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his vocals have always sort of rubbed me the wrong way, especially when he became overly theatrical. it just seems so forced somehow. that said, i do appreciate the unique style of rythym guitar he brought to the band. i think it is a big part of the overall sound.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:34pm
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There's no Grateful Dead without Weir. Period. The perfect contrast to Jer, yin-yang sort of thing. You know: balance.... And I love Black-Throated Wind :p

Concert_002.jpg

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Poster: gmarks Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:38pm
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I did mean Black Throated Wind is a fantastic song actually. I stumbled over the words - BTW is an extremely well-written song period and (of course) has lots of personal meaning to me. And that's true for most ? of the Weir/Barlow songs. The Cowboy Songs. But I'm not actually up on credits. Did Weir/Hunter write any together?

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:55pm
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Oh, that wasn't addressed to you... we had a BTW thread awhile back and a lot of people expressed loathing towards the song... they know who they are. :D I didn't think you were saying that.

Weir/Hunter songs include Playing In The Band, Jack Straw, and a few others I can't recall at moment.... but Hunter is more known for his collaborations with Jerry, of course...

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Aug 13, 2009 3:16am
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I would kill to have a 'Cowboy Fancy' Ibanez.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 13, 2009 4:28pm
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Was that what Weir is paying? I've been asking around, and no one seems to know...

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Aug 14, 2009 3:36am
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Yep, sure is. Very expensive but also very beautiful.
I'd love to have one...

Taken form Harmony Central = "The so-called "Cowboy Fancy" models that were made for Bob Weir by Ibanez about 1976. That name comes from an answer Weir gave to Jeff Hasselberger of Ibanez who had asked him what he would like a guitar to look like. Referring to the often ornate inlays on the guitars of the old Country and Western stars, Weir replied, "Let's go for the full cowboy fancy," and so Full Cowboy Fancy it was. The word "Ace" on the fretboard refers to Weir's nickname, which comes from his first solo album of the same name.

The Cowboy Fancy shape was intended to be a compromise between a Gibson ES345, which Bob was playing at the time, and the Ibanez artist. One of the requests by Bob Weir was for a larger headstock than the prior smaller and more ornate Weir model headstocks so as to increase sustain. Hasselberger came up with the Ibanez 3-on-a-side design, which ultimately made its way into smaller versions for the George Benson guitars and other Ibanez jazz guitars."

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 14, 2009 2:01pm
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Thank you for the info! I like that and Jerry's Travis Bean the best....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 13, 2009 5:29am
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That pic is almost sickeningly sweet...can't look at it for long without worrying about him going to prison in that time period.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Aug 13, 2009 7:00am
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Hmmm....must stop looking at that photo.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 13, 2009 7:42am
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Oh yeah, if I were a gal, or inclined toward a bit more diversity than my long established approach to such matters allows, I'd be developing a serious man crush on the guy based on that pic alone.

Yuck.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 14, 2009 6:47am
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Woah, that's maybe too much love... :D

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 12, 2009 3:50pm
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"model of consistancy"

Someone in the Dead were noted to remark (I can't remember who) on that consistancy was not what they were after. The highs and the lows are what was exciting. They could be champs or chumps depending on the night. The roller coaster ride made it what it was. It made the highs more high.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Aug 12, 2009 5:14pm
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bob can get on my nerves sometimes, especially in the 80's. i think he tried too hard at times, or maybe that was just his style. was he the best guitarist in the band not named jerry? absolutely. love ya bobby.